Lunch With Sandy
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Lunch With Sandy
Is lying to your kids okay?
Ever wondered if your harmless fib about Santa is really that innocent? It's time to brace ourselves for a tough decision - to lie or not to lie to our kids. Together, we're going to broach this tricky terrain of parenting and pivot the focus onto the impact of our seemingly harmless white lies. We delve into the myriad types of lies we often find ourselves telling to keep the magic of childhood alive, and how these might be putting a dent in your precious parent-child bond.
We're also shedding light on the possible detrimental effects of these inconsistencies on our children. How can a simple fib lead to confusion, mistrust, or even a false sense of security? Let's not forget the potential risk of our tiny tots picking up deceptive habits from us. We'll be talking about the importance of being conscious about what we communicate to our kids, emphasizing the significance of truth-telling as they grow older.
We wrap up with some shared experiences of how we handled our kids questioning mythical figures like Santa Claus and the long-term effects these had on our relationships. Pull up a chair, and join us for this enlightening session on how to strike a balance between preserving childhood wonder and maintaining trust through honesty. We can't wait to hear from you, so don't forget to leave your feedback, and follow us on our social media platforms for more candid discussions like this one. Enter into this uncharted territory with us and let’s rethink our parenting strategies together.
In a relationship, when is honesty not the best policy? How do you balance what you want versus what you need, and is there something you need to say to your spouse but can't find the right way to say it? If so, then you're in the right place. This is the Lunch with Sandy podcast. With nearly 20 years of marriage under their belts, Terrance and Sandy Jackson discuss a range of topics, provide valuable insights on relationships and talk about the conversations married couples need to have. So what does lunch have to do with all of this? Well, it's a metaphor for how these conversations originally started. Speaking of conversations, let's get one going. Here's your hosts, Terrance and Sandy.
Terrance:Welcome to another episode of the Lunch with Sandy podcast, where we delve into various topics and offer perspective from two individuals who've been married for a very, very long time. As always, I'm Terrance.
Sandy:And I'm Sandy.
Terrance:And today we're going to be having a discussion about whether or not it is OK to lie to your kids.
Sandy:I do it all the time.
Terrance:I know you do, but before we get into that, two things we need to get out of the way One, be sure to follow and leave feedback on your favorite podcasting app. And second, we got to get to the area or the part of the episode that we do at the beginning of every episode, and it's answering the burning question Sandy, how's Sandy doing today?
Sandy:I'm actually kind of full. I just got back from brunch with friends.
Terrance:I would call it lunch, because you left it was 11.30. I think that qualifies as lunch by the time you got there.
Sandy:It's their brunch menu. Well, it can be. I now have breakfast food, so hence brunch.
Terrance:Well, you know what? There's something I want to bring into the light. You just mentioned something that I wasn't going to talk about, but I'm going to talk about it now. Listen, if it's between 11.30 and 1 o'clock, that's lunch. Bring your lunch menu out. I went to a place a few weeks back and we got there at 1 o'clock and all we can order from was the brunch menu. I don't want brunch. If I wanted brunch, I would have had brunch earlier, between that 10.30 and 11.30.
Sandy:Everybody wakes up at 4 o'clock in the morning, like you, some people like that it was 1 o'clock in the afternoon, not 1 AM. Some people might be just waking up at 1 o'clock, and hence it's their.
Terrance:That's your breakfast.
Sandy:Hence brunch yeah.
Terrance:Breakfast. Anyway, for all you places out there serving brunch, it's between the hours of 10, 10.30. And let's say I'll give you till noon. And if you're going to serve brunch until 2, give people the option of actually choosing from the lunch menu. I don't care if you serve food until 5 o'clock, but you can't tell someone you can't order from our lunch menu because today it's only brunch.
Sandy:Well, the brunch is mixed. It has breakfast and lunch options.
Terrance:No, not this place. It didn't have lunch options.
Sandy:You could only order from the brunch menu and you couldn't make any substitutions and their brunch was technically breakfast is what it sounds like.
Terrance:No, listen, don't give me a brunch menu and tell me that's all I can order from. I want the lunch menu at 1 o'clock. Anyway, I'm digressing. Sandy sitting here got me talking about brunch and lunch and she wants me to gloss over the fact that she lies to her kids all the time. Today we're going to speak about the truth, and the truth is, if you haven't done it already at some point you are going to lie to your kids. Now there's probably a reason why you do it, and hopefully it's a good reason, not just for the fun of it. Not just for the fun of it, but it will happen. So let's talk about why it happens.
Sandy:Ready for this?
Terrance:There are certain instances or certain type of lies that, let's be honest, you're going to tell to your kids, and they tend to fall in certain categories. Sometimes you tell those lies that are for entertainment purposes and when I say entertainment purposes, there are a couple of things that can fall under there. You start looking at that fantasy realm, that whole. The magic of being A perfect example is unfortunately. I'm glad to say this and listen, this is spoiler alert. If you've got kids in the room, you probably want to have them leave right now. Santa Claus.
Sandy:Yes.
Terrance:That's one of the lies that I think a large number of parents and I don't want to call it a lie.
Sandy:Well, it's not even the parents that have to start that. To be honest, that's the other bad part about it, right?
Terrance:Well, it's not about starting. I'm not talking about starting it.
Sandy:No, I know, but I mean parents in some ways. It's not always them actually doing the lying to the children, it's they have to then keep up the lie.
Terrance:Who's lying to your kid before you are?
Sandy:I'm watching TV, whatever it is, and then this idea of Santa Claus, and well, so here's the here's where the light comes in, you know when you're watching TV, it's the magic of TV, and not everything on TV is true.
Terrance:So when they approach you and say, hey, listen yeah they start talking about these things. You got a choice you can tell them the truth or you can lie to him. Kid loses a tooth Right and and their expectation is they're gonna take that tooth. They're gonna put it under the pillow Next day. They're gonna expect the gold coin or whatever it is. Whatever you know monetary Means you have in, wherever you are, they're gonna expect something.
Sandy:Yeah right. So, make you a bad parent?
Terrance:No, I'm not saying that it makes you we'll get into straight out.
Terrance:We'll get into whether or not you know there's a lasting, you know, long-term and short-term impact. But those are types of things that you actually lie to your kids and I'm gonna say lie. But when I say when I'm talking about it, what I really mean is those are a few few, the things that you mask over the truth when you're speaking to your kids about those things, and Part of it is part of that whole entertainment purpose and let me rephrase that Some of it has to do with entertainment entertainment but some of it is you want that magical experience for your kids and part of it is believing in these things. That may or may not be real.
Sandy:Right. I feel like some parents do it because they think it's a form of like innocence. Almost as long as you're Kids still believe in these things, your child is still an. Yeah and little being there are going to be times where You're going to lie to your kid, for instance.
Terrance:You know we talked about Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy. But let's say, for instance, you're throwing a party for your kid and surprise party. Yeah, now you gotta give them a reason why you're doing certain things or going a certain place.
Terrance:You're not gonna tell them the truth, right, you're probably gonna lie to them. Now, those things you talked about it they. There are certain reasons why Some parents will want to do those things, like when you start talking to kids and having them believe in things like the Tooth Fairy, santa Claus, and they see these things on on TV and they see all these different, whether it be in advertisements outside. But I do think that that does foster some sense of creativity.
Terrance:From the perspective of this is something that the way it's presented Is creative and once they see that it starts to get them to think about these different I don't want to call them fantasies, but I'm gonna call them fantasies, right which starts to spark things in their brain and gets those creative juices flowing.
Sandy:Yeah, no, I just meant from the perspective, they, you know, from an entertainment perspective, versus I feel like it's also sometimes just promoting a sense of innocence with your child.
Terrance:Oh no, they're not of why you're doing it, versus, like you know Well, some parents do it for other reasons too when you start talking about Santa Claus and they hear that naughty and light, nice list, you want to get your kid to behave. You're gonna tell them this, and Santa Claus is real. You don't want to be on that naughty list, right?
Sandy:Yes, and if it ain't him, it's the elf on the shelf. I also think that when kids believe in, things like that.
Terrance:It instills a sense of adventure in them, and what I mean by that is I'm not just talking about, you know, the Santa Claus and things like that, but when you start watching when you're young, you see these, and I don't know how much TV kids are watching now, but the young age they start watching all these different adventures and things like that that we know is not real, but they don't know that Right. But at the same time, again, it gives them the opportunity to start exploring different things, whether it be critically, you know, thinking about things in their mind, or just from the perspective of going outside and being adventurous and playing and all those kinds of things. I think that can be good for the child. Oh, definitely, creativity is always good. Well, yeah, me and listen, for starters. I think that's a good thing to do.
Sandy:Oh, definitely, creativity is always good for starters, indosis.
Terrance:You know, with everything you know, it's all about levels.
Sandy:What about make-believe friends?
Terrance:Again, that's one of those areas where, you know, from the perspective of having that sense of adventure, having that ability to think and create, I think that's all part of it. Again, when we talk about these things, it's important to consider, you know, the development in the age of your child.
Sandy:But yeah, and many cases it's normal. No, yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll add one trigger out of it, but she had an imaginary friend for a while.
Terrance:Yeah, the other situation where I Think that parents and I I'm not gonna say whether or not it's okay or not okay, I'm gonna say it's okay. I just said it because we're gonna say that. But Sometimes you lie to your kids to protect them. Now, whether it be because of loss Yep whether it be because of illness, whether you know the family is going through something like maybe a separation or divorce or Financial issues. I think that falls in line with what you said earlier about Letting a child keep their innocence and letting a kid be a kid, yeah, and not having to expose them to something that, although it will impact them, it's no fault to their own and they may not be Emotionally ready to deal with those types of things.
Terrance:So I can see in a situation or in it I can see a number of situations where you would want to lie to Protect your child from one thing or another.
Sandy:Yeah, but that can also backfire right.
Terrance:Yeah, I think.
Sandy:Also, you lie to your children, right, like to protect them, but then also at the same time it's always like oh, you lie to them to build a sense of confidence or something that isn't really quite there, like, oh yeah, you want to be, you know, a major league baseball player and you know they can't even swing a bat. Yeah, let's because that really protection, or would you categorize that as something else?
Terrance:So let's get into, let's get into the next topic thing, because that's what we're gonna cover and that's essentially, ken, lying have an impact on On your child and, depending on what it is and again, depending on, you know, the age and the stage of development, you want to be very careful because you can't there can be some short and long-term effects from lying to your child right in the short term.
Terrance:You know, when you talk about fostering Creativity, telling a lie to your child, when you're talking about some of these different fantasy things, it can actually do that. You know, I talked about earlier it instilling a sense of adventure and it can actually create member-related experiences. But again, their limits to all of this stuff, when we talked earlier a little bit about lying to protect, when you lie to protect your kid, on the positive side and Right now I'm covering all these positive sides you can provide comfort in a situation that would be uncomfortable, right. You can provide a sense of security in a situation, particularly if there's something that's bad going on and again, the child may not understand what's going on and you may lie to that child. So to keep them calm, to keep them in a sense of ease and, at the same time you mentioned this earlier You're working to preserve their innocence and Maintain their emotional Well-being, and now all that stuff is good in the short term, but it can have lying to your child can have Long-term effects.
Terrance:And again, everyone is different, so every situation is different, right, but when you're in a situation where you're constantly lying to your child, there is going to be an erosion of trust mm-hmm because you know it's one thing to say, okay, well, santa Claus is real, right, yep, depending on the age and development of that child, you'll be able to do that for a certain amount of time. But if you're saying Santa Claus is real, blue is green, you know what I mean On is off and all those things, that trust is going to be eroded because eventually the child is going to know that the things that you're saying aren't true, but you continue to actually say those things and at the same time they're going to be confused because, again, taking into their age and where they are from a development perspective, if you're telling them all these things that aren't true and they're hearing things from other people that are saying or contradicting what you're saying, it's just going to confuse them.
Sandy:So that, and I feel like when you're doing it from a sense of motivation too. So to your point like, oh well, if you're bad, you're going to end up on the naughty list and say the kid has been bad all year. What do you do then? Do you really not get them a gift, or are you going to cave?
Sandy:You got to follow through, right, you got to follow through you know what I mean, because then at that point then they also start not believing it. Oh well, you know there must be different levels to naughty. I'm not that naughty my parents only tell me every day, but apparently it wasn't naughty enough to end up on the naughty list.
Terrance:Yeah, I mean there's. There's a lot of valuable lessons that you could be missing the opportunity to teach your child when you know you're in a situation where you're not being truthful with them. Again, I think the age and the stage of development that your child is in plays a big role in that right.
Terrance:Going back to the whole confusion and mistrust, when you provide inconsistent information, over time the child's going to become skeptical about everything that you actually say, and part of that is what you just said. If you say, okay, well, you're going to be on a naughty list, you're on a naughty list and this kid is getting gifts at the end of the year. Okay, well, you said I was going to be on a naughty list. I was naughty. There is no consequences to that In consistent.
Sandy:I can't believe anything that you're actually going to say so well that, and then in the where I was going with Just an earlier piece regarding motivation, I feel like, you know, parents do kind of pump up their kid, I guess to be to help motivate them. Like you know, they essentially lie to them oh, you did a phenomenal job doing X, when you know they really didn't. You know what I mean. You're kind of gassing them up for lack of a better term on their abilities and then these kids go out into the real world and they truly do not have those abilities.
Terrance:Yeah.
Sandy:I mean. You know what I mean.
Terrance:You gotta find ways to build confidence in your children.
Sandy:So like what does that do then?
Terrance:Well, I think so. I think you know, at all times you got to make sure that you're grounded in reality when you start talking about confidence, because, again, what it's just that you said, when they go out in the real world, if you, if they think they're world beaters, they're going to be in for a shock when reality hits.
Sandy:Right, like you don't want to box them, you don't want them to think that if they don't try hard, that they can't succeed and be what they want to be. But to the point, yeah, there's to be some real reality to it. You know what I mean? I don't know. I feel like that's another dicey one that you really have to tilt the line on. You know, trying to build their confidence, trying to motivate them, but at the same time you can't do it too much, in which?
Terrance:there's a way to actually do it Like a false sense of confidence.
Terrance:Yeah, I mean, there's a way to do it and you got to focus on their strengths. If they're weak in something, listen, there's a listen. Not everybody, not everybody is strong in this, but you know what? You coloring the lines very, very well. The other thing that going back to the, the other thing, going back to how lying can have an impact, particularly if you do it consistently is you can. You can start to breed a deceptive task inEZ, or they can start to develop deceptive tendencies as a kid, because kids model what they observe. And if your child begins to see that you're constantly inconsistent, well that's what I'm going to use instead of telling lies you're constantly inconsistent they may believe it's okay for them to be constantly inconsistent.
Sandy:Yeah.
Terrance:And now they start to develop a deceptive mindset, unknowingly, because to them it's normal. So that's one thing you got to be careful of too.
Sandy:Well, that's funny that you say that, because it might not even be lying to your kids. It can be lying in front of your kids and the kid knows that you're lying. You know I'm feeling that that's very, call it, inconsistent, true.
Terrance:Well, I may get a habit not to lie in front of my kids. I just lie to them.
Sandy:Right.
Terrance:That way I can control.
Sandy:You know, but you know you're being all sweet and whatever to so, and so I don't know person X, but then you're talking a whole bunch of smack about them.
Announcer:We'll see, you know what I mean.
Sandy:So I think to your point, like kids are going to see that and also mimic you, right, and they might start doing the same thing. I don't even think it's just lying to your kids, it's also lying and well, I agree with that, but we're talking about lying to your kids. No, I know but I just feel like it's very similar, I think, topic wise and approach wise, of the effects that it can have on it.
Terrance:Yeah, from the perspective of observing, you want to be mindful of what it is that you know you're doing in front of your kids, but we're going to focus on you lying to your kids that you do all the time. Like you said a little while ago, stop lying to your kids. They're old enough now that you should be telling them the truth.
Sandy:I don't think I actually lie to my kids.
Terrance:Well, in the beginning you said I do it all the time I know.
Sandy:Well, I was lying.
Terrance:When we talk about lying to kids from the perspective of trying to provide them protection, the one thing that we want to be mindful of is when kids go through adversity, just like other people, they begin to develop skills to actually help them Deal with those things. They develop coping skills, they develop critical thinking skills, and if we continue to lie to them to protect them from these things, then it hinders the ability for them to begin developing those skills. And that's why I say when you talk about lying to your kids, you want to take into account how old they are and what stage of development they're in, because you don't want to hinder their ability to be able to deal with adversity as they begin to get older and they go in to start to face more and more adversity.
Sandy:No, I agree, you have to let them grow. I think you just need to be there and support them in their growth. I cannot let them do anything stupid, but at the same time, they definitely have to learn how to cope with things on their own.
Terrance:Yeah, and I think a big part of that, too, is being honest with them and being open with them when you communicate, because that's another part Honesty and communication that helps to develop critical thinking skills, and when they're presented with a situation where they need that skill, that's another one that they'll have in the bag. And I said this earlier too, you want to be mindful of preventing them with opportunities to learn when you're trying to lie to protect them and I'm focusing on the lying to protect, because the magic, the faith in the world Eventually, as they get older, they're going to see what reality has in store for them. The protection is something that all parents I think all parents do. But again, we want to make sure that they're presented, or when they're presented with adversity, or when they're presented with other opportunities. They have the ability to learn from those opportunities or those issues. And if they don't come across those, then they're not going to have that opportunity and you're essentially robbing them of those opportunities to learn.
Sandy:Yeah, no, definitely. It makes me just think of, like particularly of Shayna when she started questioning Santa.
Terrance:Well, I'm not going to get into Shayna questioning Santa. I'm going to get into Shayna actually telling other people's kids that Santa wasn't real.
Sandy:I think she did that one on accident.
Terrance:but no, I came right out. I mean, santa, ain't real.
Sandy:Shayna's when she was younger was a little truthful.
Terrance:I love you, shayna.
Sandy:At times. But well, and then to your point like how do you help your children like grow and learn from those experiences? And that's why I'm specifically thinking about Shayna, because she flat out asked if Santa was real, and to the point like I don't remember how I answered that question.
Sandy:I don't remember how you answered it. I remember how I answered it, but maybe she asked us at different times to see what each one's response was. But you know it's like well, right there, you had the choice to either continue with the lie or just flat out tell her that it's not real.
Terrance:So like what did you do? What I said was I said sometimes the things that you believe in don't have to be grounded in reality. It was something to that extent. And I also said you know, it's more about the idea than the actual person.
Sandy:Okay, I feel like that was more of my response to Ayla but to Shayna at the time.
Terrance:I mean Ayla came out and said I teach at Total. Santa Claus wasn't real.
Sandy:Right.
Terrance:I mean, I mean by that time. You know, I tried that approach, but her teacher said it wasn't real.
Sandy:Right For Shayna she's. She's particularly said that the kids at school were saying Santa wasn't real.
Terrance:Yes.
Sandy:And so then I asked her I said well, what is it that you think? I said because you know, people aren't always going to think the same. She's like, well, I still think he's real and I'm like, well, then, there you go.
Terrance:I used the polar express with Ayla a few years early. I was like you know, I want a polar express. Not everybody can hit a bell. She's like, yeah, I said some people don't believe instead of you believe you'll hit a bell. I mean, I think at some point too, it came down to. She realized, okay, well, you know what, if I believe I'm going to get that extra gift, I'm going to get that gift, because you know we don't all like for Christmas. We never all the gifts didn't come from Santa Claus. Only one gifted, yes, but it just came from us.
Sandy:So yeah, dang it, we're going to get credit for those suckers.
Terrance:Yeah.
Sandy:Not this imaginary, really poli looking guy.
Terrance:So the last, just for this section, the last thing that I'll talk about when we talk about possible consequences for lying to your kid, you got to think about the impact that lying can have on their relationships, not just yours, but again other relationships that they begin to develop. Because if we talk about kids now mimicking what they observe and you're in a situation where you've been lying to your kids and again there are some white lies or some fantasy lies that when they're young it's okay and from my perspective to engage in. But at some point, when the cat's out the bag and you want to keep in mind that what you're doing at some point may and probably will be mimicked by your child, and then when they start lying to other individuals outside of the household, it can have a negative impact on those relationships because then they will be looked at looked at as being untrueful and liars.
Sandy:Well, and then, like you said, to the coping situation and, I think, the biggest impact if you're just constantly telling your kids, like, take divorce, for instance, parents are always yelling at each other every day and they feel like something's off, and then you're just constantly telling them everything's fine, everything's fine, everything's fine, they're not going to learn how to deal with situations either. Well, they could potentially not learn how to deal with situations either. They're just going to constantly tell everybody everything's fine, everything's fine when, even though they know deep down inside, everything is not fine.
Terrance:And at the same time, they will look at that and think of it as normal. So it'll be normalcy, normalcy for them. And then you know you're also outside of just lying to them. You're teaching them that that interaction is okay, it's normal, which is not something that you want to actually do.
Sandy:Right. So if you, you know you're on, I feel like you have to give your kids some form of truth. Maybe not go and just jump off the cliff and just tell them everything, but at least you know. I feel like kids could also deal fine with certain things to you.
Sandy:No, not, not just even certain things, but like small responses. You know what I mean? Well, a law always asked the why and the why like 10 times over. But you know some kids, you can just say you know, daddy and I are working things out. Yeah trying to work things out and they're fine with that. They don't even care how you're trying to work it out, what you're working out, like they won't ask any questions, but because you gave them an answer, they're like oh, okay, and they'll go off.
Terrance:Yeah, there's some things, there's some considerations you should take into account before lying to your child Right? I've said this multiple times about the age and development stage. You know younger kids are more accepting to you, know simplified answers, but as they get older, you're going to have to start beginning to tell the truth. So you want to gradually start beginning to bring in those pieces that explain what it is you've been doing all this time. So gradual truth revealing is something that you know you should consider once your kid starts to hit a certain age and they start to develop and they start to have more time out in the world, which means you have to start being more realistic about what it is that you're actually saying to them.
Terrance:Yeah and last.
Terrance:They're gonna find out, regardless how in the real world they're exposed to a lot 100% and that leads me to that last point where you know you have to start developing honest and open communication with them as they begin to actually grow and mature. You want to foster an environment where it's okay for them to ask questions and you being okay with giving them the actual Answers that you need to give them. There's nothing that says you have to give them the whole truth, nothing but the truth, right. But when you start to have those conversations and you start to build, you know that rapport or you'll know how much you can actually Give to them in in one set amount of time, and at some point the communication will be completely open and you can be completely honest and say, yeah, no, that shit ain't real. I lied to you about that all the time, but here's why I lied to you.
Sandy:That's funny because when you were going like give it to them, I was gonna say get away with Like, how much truth can you get away with? Like Giving them like first star would just simple basic answer. See if you get away with that.
Terrance:Yeah, that's that gradual. Yeah, that's that gradual part listen blank did you lie? Yes, they say cool, walk away, walk away. You know what I mean. Right, you don't have to give them everything, but.
Terrance:Exactly you know, as a parent, we have certain responsibilities to our children and in the act of carrying out those responsibilities, sometimes we want to maintain their innocence in magic, and so we end up not giving them the whole truth. Let's call a spade a spade. Sometimes we end up lying to them. Now, it's not always a bad thing. You could have a particular reason why you're doing it. But when we start talking about whether or not it's okay to lie to our children Again I'm gonna say this because I'm it's gonna sound like I'm beating the dead horse you have to take into account the age and that stage of development in which they're at and also what is the reason that you might possibly be lying to them. If you're trying to protect your child, if you're trying to maintain a sense of Wonder and their innocence, then they're going to be situations where I think it's okay To lie to your children and that's recorded and I actually said it.
Sandy:Yeah, well, that's, they're like two or three, they're not even gonna remember.
Terrance:Hopefully they won't, hopefully won't. But at the same time, you know At some point you're gonna reach that age where you want to begin to start nurturing a trusting, a trusting relationship with your kids, or otherwise you can run into some very, very Troublesome issues down the road while you're parenting agreed now we end every show off the same way, every episode, and it's about reflecting on the week that's passed. You know it's time for my weekly reflection. Sometimes I have a problem saying some particular words.
Terrance:Just speaking just speaking now. I don't have time. I don't have a problem speaking some words. This week I want to talk about happiness. Happiness is not a destination. Sometimes we're in a situation where we look at something if I had this, I'll be happy. If I did this, I'll be happy when you get there, or you achieve those things Nine times out of ten. Okay, well, you're happy momentarily, but it doesn't last. What I'm trying to say is the result of your daily choices is what leads to happiness. So, if you want to be happy, the key is Be grateful, be kind, have a positive attitude Daily, and that is going to be key in you are on your journey to reaching happiness. That being said, thank you for joining the lunch with Sandy podcast. Be sure to follow and leave feedback on your favorite podcasting app. Until next time, stay well.
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